By Rev. Donald L. Perryman, Ph.D.
The Truth Contributor
“It’s not that they don’t hear you. It’s that hearing you costs them nothing.”

Toledo City Council spent three hours last week listening to folks practically beg for basic answers about a camera system that’s been watching us since 2022.
I’ve had this exact conversation before — with the Lucas County Sheriff, and separately with the Lucas County Board of Commissioners, over a year ago—the same fight in a different layer of government.
Ten Years Before Flock
In 2015, I stood next to then-Sheriff John Tharp when he rolled out the county’s first body cameras. I approached him worried about the number of unarmed Black folks dying at police hands nationally — Freddie Gray had just died in Baltimore.
Tharp listened and quickly responded by putting 17 cameras on his deputies. He said plainly: “We’re not going to be covering up anything.” Toledo followed his lead not long after. So, this community knows how to get ahead of an issue before it becomes a crisis. We’ve done it before.
I sat across from Sheriff Mike Navarre over a year ago and discussed maps where law enforcement typically places Flock automatic license plate reading cameras (ALPRs) to help solve crimes. It’s always wherever law enforcement already watches most closely.
I told him 30 days was long enough to hold footage not needed for a case, and that specific secure protocols be established for accessing the files. He also could establish a citizen review board to provide real oversight.
I made the same case to the Lucas County Board of Commissioners not long after. Both times, I got a lot of nodding and seeming agreement followed by draft policies that fall way short of what is expected.
That was Lucas County’s perhaps “good faith effort.”
However, last week’s fight belonged to a different governmental entity — the City of Toledo, its own council, and its own separate Flock program. Yet, the same technology, same questions, and nothing, that I am aware of, suggesting the city ever asked the county what it already knows.
County Commissioner Pete Gerken’s own staff found over 900,000 searches on the county’s camera data in one month, run by more than 3,200 outside agencies — most of them nobody elected, and half of them nobody’s heard of.
And that’s after Brandon Upchurch got bit by a police K-9 after Flock misidentified his vehicle. That’s only one instance of a myriad of mistakes our call for public error reporting was built to catch. Not to mention opportunities for misuse and abuse.
I’m not saying the technology is no good — it has helped push Toledo’s homicide solve rate from 59 percent to 86, and that matters. But technology with this much reach obviously needs guardrails before the damage lands in a courtroom, a hospital bill, or worse.
Meetings Are Free
This is what I know. Municipal government doesn’t resist a good idea — it just never lets a conversation become a commitment until it has no other choice.
I sat with Navarre. I sat with the Commissioners. I’ve met with City of Toledo officials dozens of times on dozens of issues. Every time, the response is the same: nodding, real interest, but very seldom anything binding.
That’s not their failure. It’s the strategy: to wait you out. They know that we holler loud, but not long. So, they stall until it is quiet again by holding meeting after meeting and meeting you to death, never intending to produce results, thinking you will just move on. Why? Because a meeting costs them nothing. A policy costs something.
It took three hours of residents packing a chamber this week to make the city treat the Flock camera issue as more than talk. That’s apparently what it takes to turn a conversation into a decision.
But now it is time for Toledo to — not only talk the talk — but walk the walk. Adopt the framework itself that the county has had a year’s head start on the problem areas: equitable placement, real data limits, public reporting, real citizen oversight, written into the ordinance, not studied to death.
Toledo doesn’t need another meeting. It needs a signature.
Contact Rev. Donald Perryman, PhD, at drdlperryman@centerofhopebaptist.org








